Jacob's smackdown on that made me giggle, though:

The thing that pisses me off is that it's not like we all didn't know about all the bi stuff ahead of time. I mean, Davies is gay, and known for writing about gay characters/themes. He said right from the start that sexuality (fluidity, non-heteroness, same-sex experiences, whatever you want to call it) would be a part of the show. If you're a big DW fan who has a problem with homosexuality, well, boohoo that the one person who wanted to bring the show back likes gay themes, too bad for you. But to act all shocked that a TV show that is about non-straight characters has, um, non-straight characters, and to get all flustered about it being unrealistic, is stupid. I mean, if you had a problem with the gay characters on a show like Queer as Folk, that's your opinion and you have every right to it, but you can't be all "every character is gay and it's so unrealistic!!!" when that's the entire point of the show. I know in Torchwood sexuality isn't as big a part as it was in QaF, where it was the whole show, really, but it (bi-ness/fluid sexuality) was clearly indicated to be a significant part from the start, so don't act like it's some odd, unexplained thing that just popped out of nowhere.

Yeah - and as someone at TWoP pointed out, almost every show on TV is portrayed as all heterosexual - so what if the bias goes the otherway on Torchwood? It's no more unlikely than most other shows being 100% straight.

Plus, they've only actually had two episodes with gay storylines. Unfortunately.

ETA, I'm baffled too, Scarlettfish and slightly worried that when faced with the mildest same-sex encounters (alas), the TWOP gestalte runs a mile.

I'm confused. I thought TWOP was big on the HoYay? They make my head hurt.

Maybe the reality of hot boy on boy action isn't as appealing as the fantasy they've created in multi part fanfics.

I think they just want something to complain about. Can't complain about a lack of bisexual characters? Complain about the plethora of bisexual characters.

Oh, they still are. I think about 40% of the thread is still all about hot Jack/Ianto action. Or how Owen should have had sex with that one guy in Combat. Or how much making out Jack and the Doctor are going to do in S3 of Doctor Who.


Or at least it was last time I was in there. Granted, that was a while ago.

They do know that the Doctor and Jack aren't going to have teh hawt sex? On account of, you know, it not being that sort of programme?

Sometimes, I'm not so sure.

Eh, even if they did*, they'd probably complain that their (epic, 26-part) fanfic was better.

*C'mon, RTD, you can at least hint it, right? Right?

I think a lot of them talk a good game, but they'd actually run a mile if confronted with actual scenes of homosexuality.

Slightly OT but did the US Queer as Folk have Teh Hawt Sex as it did in the British version? (penned by RTD so not that OT). The opening scene was probably the most explicit gay sex seen on tv. (And also not OT, did it have the not-crazy-at-all Doctor Who fan?)

Here's a link to the missing person poster, if anyone still wants it.

Oh, God yes, to both. It's been a few years since I saw the UK version, but the US one was very explicit (although the Nathan character was made 17, not 15). The fans were very wanky, and fell into two categories: shipper wars between the Brian/Justin fans, (equ. of Stuart and Nathan) and the Brian/Michael fans (Stuart and Vincent), and borderline stalker fangurls who refused to believe the actor playing Brian was not gay and therefore was not in tru wuv with the actor playing Justin (who was gay). Michael Musto, the Village Voice columnist, actually put a snarky smackdown on those fans in his column once, they were so irritating vocal.

So, the Jack poster (thanks for posting) -- does that mean he'll be missing from Torchwood for some time? Like, an episode (or more) without him, where the rest of the crew have to cope by themselves? As much as I'd love to see Torchwood do Keystone Cops (c'mon on, you know it would be) it's Jack! He can't go away! They'd could just set the first episode some time in the future and have him come back ten minutes in or something.

Brian/Michael4lyfe bitches! Wankiest twop board ever. Good times.

While I'm all about team bonding I too hope that we don't get to much without Jack. The show wasn't perfect but no show is and the only major problem I had was the episodes where there wasn't enough of him.